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Post #1042773 Jan 10, 2009 @ 01:16AM

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Hey guys, I figured I would increase the amount of traffic on the site and put up my own tank / fury spec's for people to pick apart but I will defend my tank spec with my entire career of warrior on the line.

Tank:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=350200012000000000000000000000005000000000000000000000000053351225003010501330113321

Fury:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=350200012000000000000000000000005000000000000000000000000053351225003010501330113321

Edited by Berrash over 1 year ago

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Post #1085893 Jan 27, 2009 @ 08:50PM

Berrash

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So apparently I was high at the time and neglected some things -- Take a look at this one and then when you have a good look assume im not crazy and ask yourself if 2 points out of 1-hand specialization would be better used in Gag order for the 10% shield slam. Thoughts and comments Plz!

Tank:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=350200002000000000000000000000005000000000000000000000000053351225002010521330113321

Fury:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=340030002320000000000000000000325050000500312253120511341000000000000000000000000000

Edited by Berrash over 1 year ago

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Author	Post #1087673 Jan 28, 2009 @ 01:34PM
Prazer Posts: 291 Online: Offline Joined: Sep 07, 08	I think you were high... Making my monitor break with your fricken long url... Just put it in hypertext Like so Tank: Tank Spec Fury: Fury Spec Edited by Prazer over 1 year ago ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Childhood is measured out by sounds and smells and sights, before the dark hour of reason grows." ~John Betjeman

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Post #1087706 Jan 28, 2009 @ 01:45PM

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Tank Critique
I see something I really don't care for. In regards to your Arms tree selection. Other than Heroic strike, and the parry I am not seeing the reasoning behind getting Imp charge. Unless there is a talent or glyph that allows you do use it in odd ways, then you only get to use it once. Then in addition to that... I don't recall many warriors using charge. I always thought Bloodrage was good.

I also see that you are going for the 20% inc to critical hit dmg. While I don't particularly agree with it, I can't say Yeah or Nah because I am not completely sure how warriors work now.

Imo, I would say drop Imp Charge and +20% dmg to crits and go with Gag order and Bloodrage.

P.S.
I just saw Warbringer. That seems good but I am still unsure of its overall usefulness. I mean do tanks normally run around picking up mobs? Even the stranglers, or do they just taunt them? Also in the instance of charging to save another. You are potentially leaving behind all the mobs you were correctly tanking. Which they may follow you, into the group of healers or likewise squishes. Imo, I think Warbringer is a talent you can exclude, seems more like a PvP talent.
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Fury Critique
Question: Is this Fury PvE or PvP?
Going to take it as PvE for the time being.

Your fury spec seems pretty solid, though I would question two things you have in it. One is why put 4 points into Deflection? I understand you are wanting fillers to move up the tree, but why not put 2 points in rend? Is rend really that bad of a talent? Since the change, it seems great to me.

Also going to mention Heroic Fury, seems too much like a PvP talent. I don't recall getting Immobilized much in raids and for the reset on Intercept. I don't see too much use for that either. I would recommend moving that to 2h Spec or Unending Fury. Seems like that would be more useful and up your dmg/dps a bit.

Edited by Prazer over 1 year ago

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Post #1091520 Jan 29, 2009 @ 06:00PM

Berrash

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AWESOME!! btw im dumb and cant figure out all that nifty things you talk about. In other knews this is my defense for my tank spec.

Bloodrage gets used when ever it is popped up but for 2 points i gain...a total of 10 rage every minute. Charge is something that i use to pick up to "save someone" not to mention my initial charge isn't wasted by "combat" or having to dance between Battle / defensive AND at the start of the fight a charge gives me enough rage for a shield slam off the starting block which if it crits means its mine forever and if it doesn't crit, means i have enough rage to blow it up. The reasons i use it are completely 100% situational, now that taunt is 30yrds if thats on CD or there is no immediate AE threat, you're going to see me fly acrossed the screen to pick him up with a SS. Most of the time if the mob gets lost is because of my bad and tahts my way of getting to it before it eats you prazer.

The 20% crit dmg is actually good beyond comparison. When i crit with shield slam i hit for about 4k+ easily add 20%. Revenge crits for about 3.5k... add 20%. Heroic strike is my "as im spaming devistate +20% on crit" + 20%. And i crit a ton, not as much as say my fury gear but im still rolling close to 18%ish. The gag order is nice and i might shuffle points over from charge if i dont need them.

For my FURY spec - yes its pve... The immobilization thing is more of a "i need to be over... THERE!" thing which keeps me in combat longer than hoping to got my intercept cd is up / running across a huge room or being stuck to the ground; your point is 100% valid though. As for the rend points... I never switch stances for 3 reasons.

A: Pulling points from parry/stun resist to increase threat on my BT (number 2 dmg instant) to hold 20-25 rage on a stance dance doesn't feel good to me as a tank.

B: Rend is the ONLY thing i need to switch for -- not only can i sunder in zerk stance i dont need to switch out for the "dodge" overpower, cause they don't.

C: I lose 10% atp and 3% crit when i dance out to get 1 skill and if I have more than 25 rage then its a loss in rage on top of the gcd that crosses and i might miss a part of my rotation for something that I'm going to run back to reapply in 9-12 seconds or w/e.

So i'll give you the Intercept heroic thing, and I'll give you the charge rage thing. But next time I'm running to save your ass and die I'll just say "sorry someone told me my spec was better this way" ;-)

Ty for the criticism -- been waiting for some :-D Great ideas though.

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Post #1091615 Jan 29, 2009 @ 06:46PM

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Prot:
I wasn't aware of the rage conflict. But it is understandable with what you said in regards to the situational charge.
Though, I stand by that for 2 reasons:
One- In any pull it is going to be AE. If you lose aggro on one mob and have to charge for it then... No mo prot for you. =) But I say that charge doesn't seem too huge because you are going to have AE mobs, almost constantly. And if you do happen to charge to protect me (if I'm asleep or my shadowmeld is on CD), another healer (who is asleep or their aggro drop is on CD), a mage (who is...) and so on. Most classes have an aggro drop now. So ideally they shouldn't be pulling. And if they do... I rather have to deal with the one, rather than the 5 you could possibly be bringing with you.

Two- Those stray mobs are ideally what the OT is for. To pick up what the MT can't, grab extras, or sit idly by and attempt to look pretty.

For the bloodrage v imp charge:
Bloodrage is 10 instant rage plus 10 more rage. With improved it can be 25-30 rage depending on how the talent works. That has no minimum range, can be used while staying on the boss. If you want to keep the Warbringer for the situational, then so be it. But I would get rid of the imp charge so you aren't inclined to use it needlessly for the extra rage.

Fury:
I have no idea what you were talking about with "A". I never mentioned Tactical Mastery in either case. You don't have BT (Bloodthirst?) as a tank. Weren't you talking about fury? Where did tank spec come into play?

I was mistaken with rend. I know you stay in Berserker stance in the fury tree. I just didn't think that you couldn't use it in that stance. Still hung up on Heroic Fury for the same reasons. I don't see very often when you would need to use Intercept when moving from different packs of mobs unless you are just wanting to charge into the next pull.

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Author	Post #1091785 Jan 29, 2009 @ 08:45PM
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Post #1092087 Jan 30, 2009 @ 01:08AM

Berrash

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G you know you're always welcome to come back when ever you can :-D.

As for the Bloodrage thing... its 2 points for 50% more -- bloodrage is initially 10 rage with 10 over 10 seconds... so 20 total, at max i get 10 more. So i get 15 initially and 15 over 10 seconds, where as imp charge gives 10 rage at the beginning..... and as i defend it i see its exactly the same caus ei really only pop both once.... point win for prazer -- imma put those 2 in rend instead for the 20% increase on there giving me more threat.

For the heroic fury thing its that "i like to be able to get out of spider nets and be useful" I'll probably change it eventually to something better but not yet.

As for the fury / tank thing, what im saying is AS A TANK i dont like the idea of BT doing a "Greatly increased" threat /use. Because of that and the fact i dont dance i stray away from tactical mastery as a filler as it might cause more harm than filling goodness.

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